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What to do about Baroness Scotland

25/09/2009

portal-graphics-20_1157347aThis story seems to be running and running. Plenty had been said over at Liberal Conspiracy and we have had a bit of a start on Facebook as well with Alex Smith’s comment getting plenty of response. I have taken the liberty of reproducing the posts here as comments to this opener.

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  1. Alexander Smith
    25/09/2009 at 01:30

    Can we get Chris Crocker to do a “Leave Baroness Scotland alone!” viral video? The whole thing is rather ridiculously overblown.

  2. Eleanor ScerriI
    25/09/2009 at 01:31

    I reckon if she was called Baroness Scunthorpe they’d leave her alone. Or even if she lived down south and was called Baroness Affpuddle or something

  3. Paul Stephens
    25/09/2009 at 01:31

    Or Kanye West: “OK Baroness, I’ma yet ya finish, but I just wanna say that the MP’s expenses was the best scandal this year!”

  4. Alexander Smith
    25/09/2009 at 01:32

    Well, quite. She’s already been fined £5k for not making a photocopy. I’m not sure firing her is warranted or helpful in any way, and it in no way matches the level of the MP expenses scandal where no-one was fired.

    I think Boris has it nailed; if you start off as a buffoon, people won’t expect anything more from you. Boris could accidentally knock down Tower Bridge and the public response would more likely be one of hilarity rather than outrage.

  5. Paul Stephens
    25/09/2009 at 01:33

    Well, it just proves that ignorance of the law is no excuse: unless of course you’re the attorney general who actually railroaded that particular law through parliament!
    Anyway, since she’s on a stupidly high wage, she should be using a verified agency: British jobs for British people and all…

  6. Guy Burman
    25/09/2009 at 01:34

    Ahem…she is actually guilty under Section 15 of the Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act 2006 of failing to check whether her employee was legally allowed to work in the UK. The photocopy is only a part of it.
    Arguably, she could of been charged with the criminal offence of knowingly employing an illegal migrant worker as she was involved in … Read morethe drawing up the law and therefore should have known what exactly she was looking at in terms of paperwork. The sheer fact that she still employed said person having seen her passport etc makes her potentially liable to that offence.
    I…erm…work for the UKBA.

  7. Laura Smith
    25/09/2009 at 01:34

    Akex i don’t think we are really related! You are far too intelligent!

  8. Alexander Smith
    25/09/2009 at 01:35

    I’m not disputing that she broke the law, and yes, ignorance is no excuse. But she’s already been judged and given the maximum fine for breaking that law. She could have been charged with a criminal offence, but she hasn’t. Should she be punished based on what she could have been charged with? I don’t think so.

  9. Alexander Smith
    25/09/2009 at 01:35

    Laura, I’m not that intelligent. I’m just good at faking it.

  10. Laura Smith
    25/09/2009 at 01:36

    you are on about criminal offences! I am a bona fide rozzer! i should know about this!

  11. Alexander Smith
    25/09/2009 at 01:36

    Nah; you’re just supposed to chase down the bad people, not deal with them! That’s for the CPS to handle. You need farmers and bakers to make bread, but neither occupation really needs to know what the other does in detail to get the bread made.

    And now I’ve started on the analogies it means it’s time to step away from the computer.

  12. Laura Smith
    25/09/2009 at 01:37

    dont mention CPS to me! talk about sitting on the fence!

  13. Mr Tyke
    25/09/2009 at 01:37

    I thought the maximum fine was £10,000 for this offence? A few points: 1)The illegal was employed over a longish period of time. 2) Baroness Scotland was the one who insisted on the harsher rules requiring a photocopy 3) She is the Attorney General and, as such should be held as a paragon of the Law. 4) She has tried to equate her “Technical Error… Read more” with failing to pay a congestion charge. One attracts a £60 slap on the wrist, the other a possible £10k fine.

    Not to worry though – come the election she’ll be out on her ear.

  14. Alexander Smith
    25/09/2009 at 01:38

    The maximum statutory offence fine is £10000 in Scotland, but still only £5000 in England and Wales. Even though she is Baroness Scotland, it’s just her surname.

    1) Yep, but if you don’t realise you’ve done something wrong then you won’t until someone lets you know. A more pertinent question is why it took so long to be spotted by someone else.

    2) Yes, she was the one that helped draft the new rules which now affect her directly. It is a rather tragic irony that she got caught by a net she helped create…. Read more

    3) This is also true. The bigger they are; the harder they fall. We’re all humans though, and everyone is just as fallible as anyone else.

    4) I think the emphasis was on illustrating that what she did was a statutory offence (i.e. a non-criminal act). More severe than failing to pay your the congestion charge, but non-criminal nonetheless. Theoretically you could abuse the congestion charge enough to be fined £5000.

  15. Kirsten Turner
    25/09/2009 at 01:39

    So you don’t think that at least some of the current interest in her has to do with the £170,000 expenses?

  16. Gordon Maclaren
    25/09/2009 at 01:40

    F**k Baroness Scotland. She’ll doubtless pay her fine out of the money she saved putting her illegal employee on expenses. I’m more interested in hearing what happens to the cleaner. Someone who broke the law to, y’know, earn minimum wage. FFS.

  17. Dontmindme
    25/09/2009 at 21:22

    She’s toast. With Max Clifford on the case a Sunday will get a scoop, and the story will threaten to overshadow the Lab conference. Lab can’t afford that so she will have to go soon.

  18. 26/09/2009 at 03:17

    Dead – buried – gone. And that’s just he Labour Government

  19. 30/09/2009 at 20:27

    If you were looking for Colleen’s comment – I have moved it, and dontmindme’s reply, to it’s own thread as was off-topic and interesting.

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